saving is not wrong obviously we are we are for saving we are for planning for the future but there is a kind of toxic unhealthy fear because I think Spenders can get a bad rap of like oh my gosh they're so irresponsible that's me I'm a spender they're so irresponsible oh my gosh oh my gosh I think Savers can also need to have a bad rap in a sense that a sense that level where money becomes an unhealthy part of your life where it almost becomes a God you're you're chasing this number you're chasing this thing thinking okay once I get that I'm going to feel okay but the problem is you'll get there and then you'll think uh I probably should do like one more year of that and and the Finish Line just keeps moving so there is a contentment piece and that's not laziness or apathy but and people don't have that piece when you're living paycheck to paycheck and you got $20,000 in credit card debt and you're you know losing a job and no emergency fund like there's an unrest that money can cause you're going to have to start to own this and go I've got this massive fear about spending money or doing anything fun all about the motivation and that's what I think Ken's point was if the motivation is out of this kind of toxic unhealthy fear
